How to Buy old Country Roses




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This Guide will provide a seller or buyer enough information to determine that the Old Country Roses china pattern in question is genuine and correctly described.

This range of English bone china tableware from Royal Albert is renowned the world over with more than 100 million pieces produced and sold. The Harold Holdcroft inspired Old Country Roses (OCR) was launched in 1962. Originally planned to be called Treasure Garden, Harold Holdcroft MSIA FRSA NRD, Royal Albert's Art Director based his design on the 1921 pattern King's Ransom.


King's Ransom

Old Country Roses

The design was a result of years of work by Harold Holdcroft who said; We decided to incorporate all the ingredients we knew would be acceptable, richness of colour, softness of colour, good quality and a good value look. All these qualities are incorporated in the pattern. It has lush deep red roses, warmth from the tea roses, delicacy from the bluish pink and an overall softening off of the pattern by using a shade of soft warm green. The rich gold stipple trim gives the sprays continuity and the china good value for money.

Enhanced by the elegant traditional Royal Albert Montrose shape and the attractive scalloped edges finished in 22k gold, from the twist and curl of the teacup handles to the fluted trim on the teapot lid....the attention to detail has contributed to a superb original design.

BACKSTAMPS

Where size allowed, all English produced backstamps consisted of :

Floral Spray.... 3 roses - red, yellow and pink against a green leaf background

Pattern Name.... Old Country Roses in red

Trade Name..... ROYAL ALBERT or ROYAL ALBERT (r)

Type of China... BONE CHINA

Country of Manufacture... ENGLAND or MADE IN ENGLAND

Copyright... (c) ROYAL ALBERT LTD 1962 or (c) 1962 ROYAL ALBERT LTD

as shown below


This is the original
1962 - 1973

1973 - 1993 (c) ROYAL

1973-1993 (c) 1962

1993 - 2002 ROYAL ALBERT (R)

1993 - 2002 ROYAL ALBERT (R)
MADE IN ENGLAND

Please note the difference between these two 1973-1993 English produced backstamps is in the Copyright wording... the last line of the backstamp starts (c) ROYAL or (c) 1962

It is not known at this stage which came first, however because both use the name ROYAL ALBERT without the (r) registration mark, we can safely assume it was after 1973 and before 1993 which was the year ROYAL ALBERT was registered as a trade mark.

The company of TC Wild & Sons Ltd was renamed Royal Albert Ltd in 1970, but ownership did not change until July 1972. It could be possible that the (c) ROYAL was used in that time and the (c) 1962 was used by the new owners Royal Doulton from July 1972 onwards.

More research in the near future will confirm this.

For the 1993-2002 backstamp, the major difference from other English backstamps is the (R) trade mark registration character located after ROYAL ALBERT.

The trade mark ROYAL ALBERT was registered in 1993, which was also the year that Royal Doulton demerged from the Pearson Group and listed publicly in their own right on the London Stock Exchange.

This period of some ten years represents the last of the English produced china in the district of Stoke-on-Trent, Staffordshire England.


FACTORY SECONDS

Whenever a product was too good to discard but not good enough to meet the factory's first quality standard, the backstamp was scratched or marked and then either given to staff or sold in staff or retail stores at a discounted price, usually 50% or even more. Common flaws of seconds were; mis-alignment of graphic transfer, size variation, glazing or gilding flaw, colour variation etc.

Do not believe a claim that a second quality is as good as a first quality, the seller is just admitting that they cannot see the flaw. The item became a second for a specific reason.

Don't be afraid to ask questions such as...

Can you explain in more detail why you have described this item as mint condition and what is your return policy if we do not agree with your claim?

Is this an actual photo of the item and it's backstamp?


This second has been scratched on the red rose to indicate it is a second

A factory second is exactly that...

It is an item that was rejected by the factory's quality control staff as unsuitable for first quality specification and sale.

It could have been a glazing flaw, mis-alignment of one of the graphic transfers, a colour variation, a firing or gilding flaw, variation in size...the list could go on.

Just remember, no matter what anyone claims, the second was rejected for a specific reason, if the seller can't tell you what it is, it just means that they can't find it....not that it's not there....


ASIAN OCR:

Production in Asia started as early as 1998 and by December 20, 2002. most of Royal Albert's production including Old Country Roses, was transferred to Indonesia, and some to China. Indonesian backstamps are mainly detectable by the abscence of the word ENGLAND. Apart from that, they look the same as the English one to the untrained or unwary eye.


This is Indonesian

This is Chinese

As you will see, most of the Asian backstamps look very similar to the English backstamps and so to the unwary eye, it is easy to make a mistake.

Most important of all is that whenever you do not see the word ENGLAND on a backstamp, you can be sure it is Asian and most likely INDONESIAN.

The four most common mistakes people make when buying Old Country Roses;

Buying Indonesian or Chinese OCR and thinking it is English

Buying 1962 backstamps in the belief that it is the year of manufacture

Buying factory seconds thinking they are first quality

Not checking descriptions for accurate condition of product

SUMMARY

If you want to get what you paid for, look closely at the photos, the backstamp and the item description. From that and the above information, you will be able to determine where and approximately when it was manufactured, if it is first or second quality and the actual condition of the item.

~ Guide created: 21/01/06 by Written by Ian McCallum



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